tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post1680441108646385415..comments2023-09-26T11:00:35.262+02:00Comments on Let me wear a Suit. Please! necromonger @ INSEAD MBA Blog: Financial Times FT MBA Rankings 2008 - Analysis and Review Part IUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post-27425834658910224022010-10-23T05:30:08.699+02:002010-10-23T05:30:08.699+02:00However, American MBA takes two years whereas MBA ...However, American MBA takes two years whereas MBA from ISB takes only one year. It is more like EMBA from US which is much costlier.<br />You can earn around 20 lakh in that one year and decrease your total cost of MBA.<br />Hence, MBA from ISB makes sense.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12628931221244897139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post-53769769836210952042010-02-14T12:55:43.583+01:002010-02-14T12:55:43.583+01:00To reiterate Kunal's question, what about IE b...To reiterate Kunal's question, what about IE business school? The rankings seem to differ on IE vs IESE - does IE suffer from some similar distortion as ISB? Many rankings put IESE and IE close together but you haven't even included IE in your top 20. Any thoughts much appreciated, as am trying to decide whether to apply to IE/IESE (or other european rolling admits school)...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08706291775398443520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post-26026570124872740482009-09-24T23:42:07.505+02:002009-09-24T23:42:07.505+02:00This blog is a nice piece of work .,... why is thi...This blog is a nice piece of work .,... why is this dead now...Arvind Elayappanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08941966208686468495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post-21985232384531228632008-09-25T23:48:00.000+02:002008-09-25T23:48:00.000+02:00Excellent analysis.Could u please throw some light...Excellent analysis.Could u please throw some light on how well is an Indiann MBA from a reputed b-school(top 10 b-schools)other than IIM, recognised in the US?Is it possible to get a job there in the US-at least in Indian companies in managerial positions?If not, what are the alternatives?R there any courses or certifications available to gt this program recognised?Please help me out with this informationModeratorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05678993196624319946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post-10842359757127015322008-08-12T15:05:00.000+02:002008-08-12T15:05:00.000+02:00Excellent analysis all round. My question is this-...Excellent analysis all round. My question is this- why are UK schools apart from LBS left out in general rankings i.e. they are not considered worthy? Does Lancaster business school in the UK really merit its ranking? 22nd globally ahead of CASS and Manchester Business School? what are your opinions?justbeingmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333347522787053463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post-57879072896668805322008-07-01T13:57:00.000+02:002008-07-01T13:57:00.000+02:00Excellent articles,arguments and counter arguments...Excellent articles,arguments and counter arguments. I would like to thank all of you for the knowledge you have shared on this forum. kindred the interest in aspiring managers such as myselfArunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14605304085379214009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post-59265569704453757132008-05-26T15:31:00.000+02:002008-05-26T15:31:00.000+02:00What aabout IE Business School, Spain. It also has...What aabout IE Business School, Spain. It also has been ranked pretty high in most of the rankings..Kunalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09494875436964251884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post-89164804745990700052008-03-18T09:45:00.000+01:002008-03-18T09:45:00.000+01:00habeliraucher,Thanks for the detailed post in resp...habeliraucher,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the detailed post in response to "Anonymous." I'm not jumping in the fray with comments but responses like yours are very useful for other readers and can be useful for some who may be considering, say, HKUST as a possible option.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post-1499832681471655652008-03-18T03:19:00.000+01:002008-03-18T03:19:00.000+01:00Well, I don't know how valid my personal compariso...Well, I don't know how valid my personal comparison is when you generalize them to compare whole schools. I simply comment based on the time and classes I took at CBS. <BR/><BR/>To answer your points more specifically: <BR/>I did one semester at CBS (electives only) vs two semesters at HKUST (one core, one electives). Each semester contained approx. 16 credits. The classes I took at CBS were from world class (Top Management Process) to very mediocre (Tax Strategy) to weird but interesting (Napoleon's Glance).<BR/>The take away point here is that some classes are top while some are complete crap and most are average. One particular issue is that many classes at CBS tend to be very US centric and do not bring in a global perspective.<BR/>At HKUST you also have some top classes (Justin Lin's Development in China or Milind Rao Macroeconomics). In addition you have about the same percentage of crap and average classes like at CBS.<BR/>CBS has certainly more nobel laureates but the professors also tend to be older ;-) This might possibly change once HKUST as a school gets older (HKUST is only 13 years old after all)<BR/><BR/>Re research/papers: CBS is ranked 11th, HKUST 20th so that is not far off. <BR/><BR/>Lastly on academics, the professors that teach the MBA program at HKUST are the same that teach the Kellogg-HKUST EMBA program, ranked No 1 worldwide. <BR/><BR/>Re student quality. I was the top student in my class at HKUST and I had the top grades in my classes at CBS, regardless whether it was Top Management Process or Tax Strategy. <BR/>Of course CBS has more good students by quantity as one intake is roughly 500-700 students. If 10% are top, that means 70 students. HKUST also has roughly 10% top students but that means a much smaller number as the intake is smaller. What I observed however is that CBS and HKUST have about the same percentage of top vs average vs weak students. Once again, personal observations only.<BR/><BR/>More general, I have to say that my CBS experience was a bit so-so. I came in with very high expectations (due to ranking, reputation, etc.) that the school was not always able to live up to. Maybe this expectation gap is my real bias ;-)<BR/>Also I should say that I have friends who did semesters at Kellogg which they really considered to be a class above HKUST. Maybe the discussion here should be Kellogg vs CBS rather than HKUST vs anyone. <BR/><BR/>A last point: I think people need to say good bye to the thought of US and some selected European schools being top alone. I am a European with working experience in Europe, US and Asia and I can share that Asia in general is moving so much faster that it's a question of when and not whether Asia will break into the top league soon - whether that's MBA schools, Fortune500 companies, or the Olympics gold medal list ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post-89560867255003489672008-03-12T20:11:00.000+01:002008-03-12T20:11:00.000+01:00Not much difference in quality? That's ridiculous....Not much difference in quality? That's ridiculous. How many classes did you take, how valid are your personal comparisons, given your bias towards promoting your alma mater, and how many other measures- nobel laureates at each school; number of papers published at top journals by professors; average GPA and GMAT of fellow students, did you take into consideration?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post-21003496780172621192008-03-10T12:20:00.000+01:002008-03-10T12:20:00.000+01:00Nice analysis putting the spotlight on a well-know...Nice analysis putting the spotlight on a well-known weakness. <BR/>Do people actually know why FT introduced PPP? Well, rumours here in Asia say that FT wanted to publish their paper in China, hence you better get on good terms with the government :)<BR/><BR/>Two more points:<BR/>Hong Kong University is not HKUST. Hong Kong University is HKU, and HKUST is Hong Kong University of Science & Technology.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, I studied at HKUST and did exchange at CBS. Well if you ask me, not much difference in terms of quality of the program (students, courses, etc.), except - and that's a big one - that CBS profits from a brand built over decades, which in turn helps the grads to get better jobs, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post-17414024784521954402008-02-13T17:16:00.000+01:002008-02-13T17:16:00.000+01:00tandoor,I guess we just read each others messages ...tandoor,<BR/><BR/>I guess we just read each others messages wrong. I have no dispute with your assertions for top 30. The Canadian schools are all reputed and I agree that they could potentially replace some others in the 30. My analysis was limited to the 20 - I did not look beyond that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post-73163347292218541932008-02-13T16:31:00.000+01:002008-02-13T16:31:00.000+01:00Easily a bunch of UK schools, along with CEIBS & I...Easily a bunch of UK schools, along with CEIBS & ISB...same with a bunch of unknown UK schools in the top 30; but I wouldn't replace any top 20 schools with Canadian schools..they should definitely be there in top 30 though especially with Rotman in top25. Ivey & Rotman are very well known in north-east and midwest US, especially Ivey which is one of the oldest business schools in NA..Rotman is well known in the NYC area and more so with its #6 rank in Finance. My interactions with recruiters and finance alumni vouches for this. As far the BW rankings,I would bring LBS & INSEAD over the top 3 Canadian schools definitely, but they deserve to be in the top 10 (non-US schools).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post-2982211516774782002008-02-11T04:11:00.000+01:002008-02-11T04:11:00.000+01:00tandoor,You're making many assumptions - I've neve...tandoor,<BR/><BR/>You're making many assumptions - I've never lived in Europe. I've lived in India and the US. I'm sure the Canadian schools are great schools, but "better known in US" is not an automatic qualification. Let me throw the question back at you - if you were to re-do top 20 which schools would you throw out and replace with canadian schools and still satisfy all the 3 rankings?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post-40765882930582441242008-02-10T21:47:00.000+01:002008-02-10T21:47:00.000+01:00OK I read your previous year's comments after post...OK I read your previous year's comments after posting my comment earlier..to your point about INSEAD being global, well sorry to say that, after having lived in US for 10+ years, the Canadian schools are more known than INSEAD, Oxford or Cambridge.. exception is LBS. So your point about Canadian schools not being global doesn't hold good since your view is based on your experience out in Europe and you live there. All the major American firms have their Canadian branches in Toronto, and Toronto is the 3rd biggest financial city in North America, so yes although BW can be North American biased, Canadian schools are worth their worth!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post-41401599622632205312008-02-10T21:42:00.000+01:002008-02-10T21:42:00.000+01:00How come you haven't considered any of the Canadia...How come you haven't considered any of the Canadian schools in your top 20 list? If you go by the BW rankings for top 10 non-US schools, Queens, Ivey and the rising star Rotman, are ranked higher than INSEAD & LBS..FT seems to be more Euro biased with unknown schools in top 30..also Canadian schools are much more known in the US market than most Euro schools - so thats pretty important tooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post-42981733210390871412008-02-09T23:42:00.000+01:002008-02-09T23:42:00.000+01:00Good Analysis. Completely agree with your analysis...Good Analysis. Completely agree with your analysis and mostly with your rankins (barring UNC in top 20). I think ISB has still a long way to go in terms of being a truly international school - it needs more international participants. Hopefully, this ranking will help it attract more international participants.Rahulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07988620433181972473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post-2444125841812861242008-02-05T16:30:00.000+01:002008-02-05T16:30:00.000+01:00Teacher - Thanks for the comment. As they say - wh...Teacher - Thanks for the comment. As they say - where there is a will... :) It's more about managing time I guess, because the actual writing does not take a lot of time.<BR/><BR/>Anonymous - I've been reading a lot of good things about Duke. To be honest, I don't have a super strong reason why Duke should be above Kellogg except that it's a personal perception.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post-79793277046563146792008-02-05T15:25:00.000+01:002008-02-05T15:25:00.000+01:00Surprised that you put Duke over Kellogg; otherwis...Surprised that you put Duke over Kellogg; otherwise I agree with your top 10. <BR/><BR/>Good critique of the FT rankings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7485930897542235908.post-32358580978350334962008-02-04T19:18:00.000+01:002008-02-04T19:18:00.000+01:00Excellent analysis. I do agree with you that due t...Excellent analysis. I do agree with you that due to the extra weightage (close to 40%) attached to the salary factor, ISB's ranking has shot up. I attribute the high %increase to the ever increasing exposure that ISB is getting, considering it is expanding fast and is in its earlier stages.<BR/><BR/>By the way, in your busy schedule, how do you get the time to do such a thorough analysis and write all this? Hats off dude!! :)The Teacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02833586613103634883noreply@blogger.com